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Can Partial Simian Line Change

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Can Partial Simian Line Change

Post  Lori on Sun Nov 14, 2010 6:51 pm

A friend of mine has a partial simian on his passive hand. He wondered whether or not he would have been born with this or if it developed during his youth. (I wondered this myself since I have seen pictures of newborns with simian lines.) He also wondered if his partial simian would ever change to a separate heart and head line. Could anyone help me understand the partial simian line.
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Re: Can Partial Simian Line Change

Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:38 am


Hi Lori, great question!!

In general, one can say that the simian line is a steady 'inborn' characteristics (which implicates that it will not disappear in time).

However, since you're talking about a partial simian line - one has to consider whether the 'core' of the heart line makes a connection with the 'head line'. For, especially when the simian line is created by a minor line (which can not be considered as a part of the 'core' of the primary line) - then there is a small possibility that the simian line could become less significant in time.


thinking But I would prefer to see a picture of the hand involved before pointing out the possibility of a significant change - otherwise I would recommend to simply stress out the first part of my reply: where I describe the simian line as a steady 'inborn' characteristic.

I hope this makes sense!?

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Re: Can Partial Simian Line Change

Post  Lori on Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:03 pm

Martijn (admin) wrote:But I would prefer to see a picture of the hand involved before pointing out the possibility of a significant change - otherwise I would recommend to simply stress out the first part of my reply: where I describe the simian line as a steady 'inborn' characteristic.

Hi Martijn!
Here is the print of the hand. I appreciate you having a look at it and your comments!

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Re: Can Partial Simian Line Change

Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:29 pm


Hi Lori,

Thanks for posting the handprint!!

But actually, this is not a simian line... this is a 'Suwon crease' (which was first described by Korean researchers earlier this year); you can find more info about the Suwon crease in the following discussion:
http://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/iiih-news-that-relates-to-the-activity-of-reading-hands-f15/report-korean-researchers-discovered-the-suwon-crease-only-observed-in-males-t199.htm?highlight=suwon

Why is this not a simian line?

The answer is quite simple: in this hand we can observe a complete normal head line! Remember... the basic characteristic of a simian line is a complete (or partial) FUSION between the heart line and the head line!

So... Glen's hand displays a much more rare line-variant than the simian line! (Only about 0.3% of the population has a likewise line)

Regarding your question: in this hand the 'Suwon crease' (which could also be described as a second head line which makes a connection with the heart line) is definitely a characteristic that relates to the 'core' ... so it is very unlikely that this line will show any significant change in time.

Regarding the meaning, we can only speculate about the meaning because this specific line variant has NEVER been described in the palmistry literature. But in my studies I have noticed that the Suwon crease can be observed relatively often in male university students.

So Lori, I am wondering... how would you describe Glen's intelligence? For example, what was the highest education that he completed? And in what type of job is he involved?

I hope this answer makes sense for you!?

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Re: Can Partial Simian Line Change

Post  Lori on Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:34 pm

Martijn (admin) wrote:But actually, this is not a simian line... this is a [b]'Suwon crease'
So Lori, I am wondering... how would you describe Glen's intelligence? For example, what was the highest education that he completed? And in what type of job is he involved?

Hi Martijn:

Thank you so much for identifying the line for me. It is exactly as described in past post on the Suwon crease. (He only has the line on his passive hand and does have a head line in addition to the Suwon crease line adjoining the Heart line.) It is really interesting to actually see one!

Glen is an intelligent guy. He went to a technology school and then went to university to study Engineering. He works in civil engineering as a consultant. Just a little about him: He describes himself as "always thinking" and tends to worry a lot. His woodworking hobby is the only time he feels he isn't thinking. He also mentioned that his independence is very important to him.

I really appreciate you correctly identifying the line for me. This forum is a great resource for all. Much thanks to you and Lynn for the great job you are doing for us.
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Re: Can Partial Simian Line Change

Post  Martijn (admin) on Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:36 am


Hi Lori,

Great feedback: I am glad to hear that my observations became useful for you... and your marks regarding his intelligence (sounds like a successful university student) appear to confirm my hypothesis that the 'Suwon crease' might be a line with a completely different nature!!

(Opposite to the simian line and Sydney line - which according medical science both can be recognized as a 'minor physical anomaly')

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Re: Can Partial Simian Line Change

Post  Felicity Martin on Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:27 am

I find I get a little confused with the Suwon Crease in this case as I see this one as more of a normal heart line and the headline has a branch moving up to join it, called a 'Letter of Affection' by Cheiro, or in the case of the line travelling down to the head line from the heart line, indicates a tendency to prefer same sex company, ie a Man's man as opposed to homosexual, or a learning line from disappointments.

The line which I see in the question still falls within the definition of the Suwon line but for me, would have a different outcome to the classic heart line traveling straight across the palm., my understanding was the Suwon line is similar in trait to a head line which travels right across the palm, or Sydney line, except it is the heart line which does this. This give rigidity to matters involving the heart in the same way as the long straight head line increases the likelihood of dogmatism.

My daughter's partner has a classic Suwon line, the heart line travels straight across the palm and he does share a characteristic with the independence. In his case he is almost isolationist in his independence, which has resulted in him having real difficulties and problems in social situations. As he is getting older this is starting to improve with his developing strategies for anger management and taking part in conversations but it has been a battle for him.

In another case of an autistic child, she did also have a Suwon line which travelled across the palm to cross the head/life line into the Mount of Mars.

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Re: Can Partial Simian Line Change

Post  Martijn (admin) on Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:45 pm

Felicity Martin wrote:I find I get a little confused with the Suwon Crease in this case as I see this one as more of a normal heart line and the headline has a branch moving up to join it, called a 'Letter of Affection' by Cheiro, or in the case of the line travelling down to the head line from the heart line, indicates a tendency to prefer same sex company, ie a Man's man as opposed to homosexual, or a learning line from disappointments.

The line which I see in the question still falls within the definition of the Suwon line but for me, would have a different outcome to the classic heart line traveling straight across the palm., my understanding was the Suwon line is similar in trait to a head line which travels right across the palm, or Sydney line, except it is the heart line which does this.

Hi Felicity,

Thank you for your comment.

Sorry, your last words - in the quote above - indicate that you probably misunderstood the concept of the 'Suwon crease': because this line always requires that an 'extra' head line is involved.

A 'Suwon crease' is not simply a very long heart line which extends overlaps the full width of the palm.

(So, this might also implicate that your daughter probably doesn't have the 'Suwon crease', because you described her line as: "the heart line travels straight across the palm").

If you have additional questions regarding the 'Suwon crease', maybe you can join the discussion about this rare line, see:
http://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/iiih-news-that-relates-to-the-activity-of-reading-hands-f15/report-korean-researchers-discovered-the-suwon-crease-only-observed-in-males-t199-75.htm#2972

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Re: Can Partial Simian Line Change

Post  Felicity Martin on Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:11 pm

Thanks Martijn for the clarification.
I do struggle with the Suwon classification. I can now clearly associate it with in this case the extra head line traveling up and meeting the heart line, as opposed to a branch from the heart line running down to meet the headline.

It was my daughter's partner who had the heart line traveling across the palm, which I have found, in may subjects to carry associated psychological ramifications.

I have been actively reading the Suwon Crease and have found it very interesting but hate the way that it has been 'classified' and named as a form of ownership by the scientific community and disregarding what has been observed for generations of palmists who recognised certain associated outcomes with it and the many variants of these outcomes, depending on behavioral, humanistic etc adaptation to what may be a now named and classified neuropsychological manifestation. Though I accept this need for classification as demonstrated by the Sydney line and the Simian line, but do rankle a bit at the dispersions cast upon those who have, for so long, looked at the hand as more the sum of the whole rather than as a collection of parts.

I mean, do I, before others, name the small transverse line that runs from the distal side of the lower sub-thenar mount, the Hallett line, and maybe win accolades because it has a defined place and character and indicates in many cases a tendency to lower back problems?

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