Re: Do you have normal finger length? [locked]

Patti Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:54 am

for your explanation.

**Martijn (admin)** Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:55 pm

Well, finding your 'hand shape profile' ... should become quite easy now with the new picture below!

(After finding your 'hand shape profile', you can find the most dominant element in your hand by searching for the color that show the most similarities with your 'hand shape profile')

Do you have normal finger length? [locked] - Page 7 Shape-profiles-elemental-hand-shapes

Do you have normal finger length? [locked] - Page 7 Shape-profiles-elemental-hand-shapes

**Martijn (admin)** Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:03 pm

Looks like I have described all possible combinations in my new picture (see previous post).

And it appears to be a sensible system for recognizing 'mixed' hand shapes!

(Now I will now soon present an overview for the people who have shared their hand dimensions, I will see if I now finally can add specific 'mixed' zone to the chart with the elemental axes)

**Martijn (admin)** Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:46 pm

... Looks fabulous. Tomorrow I will be able to finish my model by adding a few more codes + I will add the 'mix' zones in the picture with the elemental axes. The ++ | ++ | + code will move the earth category and the -- | -- | - to water category.

( cheers

)

Patti Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:32 am

Martijn (admin) wrote:
Looks like I have described all possible combinations in my new picture (see previous post).

And it appears to be a sensible system for recognizing 'mixed' hand shapes!

(Now I will now soon present an overview for the people who have shared their hand dimensions, I will see if I now finally can add specific 'mixed' zone to the chart with the elemental axes)

For mine, wait until I update with measurements based on the criteria you've presented. I have tried to measure my hands several times in different ways since and each time I get slightly different results. This is by using a ruler across my palm in a couple of attempts. Another was to mark ink pen spots at the different points on my hand and press quickly and firmly on paper to leave the wet ink there and then measure those dots. Laughing

and tonight I printed out copies direct from the scanner and measured those and have another set of figures!

**Martijn (admin)** Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:34 am

Hi Patti,

I can only recommend to use a stable measurement tool. I assume that you are struggling with the palm breadth measurment only?

wave

PS. Chances are not very high that a (small) measurement difference will result in a different palm shape result.

**tap** Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:27 pm

In my opinion, there is not any way to measure the hand to the tenth of a centimeter, at different times, and have consistent measurements. The slightest change in hand placement, angle of viewing and the body conditions at the time will change it.

**tap** Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:33 pm

Patti, the most accurate way I have found is to lay your hand down flat on a piece of white paper and use a clear ruler. (The only problem is if you have long finger nails that block the contrast between the paper and the end of your finger).

**Martijn (admin)** Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:53 pm

tap wrote:In my opinion, there is not any way to measure the hand to the tenth of a centimeter, at different times, and have consistent measurements. The slightest change in hand placement, angle of viewing and the body conditions at the time will change it.

Hi Tap,

I have mentioned that measuring hand dimensions is not an 'exact science'. So, if you have problems finding a representive measurement, the I would recommend to make a few measurements (carefully), and then you can use the average.

By the way, regarding the 2 measurements that you shared so far... those resulted in the same hand shape (according the 'shape formula').

PS. Regarding the measurements, I try to do my measurements as accurate up to 0.5 mm, this avoids that you have to choose between a rounded number of mm's. Also, I am using a 'shine-through' ruler (like the one illustrated below)... which makes it probably a bit easier to find accurate (representative) measures.

Do you have normal finger length? [locked] - Page 7 _How-To-Read-A-Ruler-1

Do you have normal finger length? [locked] - Page 7 _How-To-Read-A-Ruler-1

Patti Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:34 pm

Thanks for the suggestions Tap and Martijn.

The width isn't difficult to measure. Mostly it's the length of the middle finger. I do wear my nails a little long, so the very tips of my fingers have a peak. With the nail in the way it's difficult to mark exactly where it ends on the paper below. Then while my hand is still pressed down, it's difficult to see where the finger meets the palm.

I'll try with another photocopier this afternoon.

**Martijn (admin)** Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:02 pm

The 'hand shape profiles' picture is finished now:

(Later today I will present the new version for the picture with the 'elemental axes', that will then be featured with the exact borders for the various 'mixed' hand shapes!)

Do you have normal finger length? [locked] - Page 7 Shape-profiles-elemental-hand-shapes

**tap** Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:29 pm

I think I got it all figured out!

Thanks!!!!!!!!! working on this chart really made sense!!!!!!!!!! sunny

Where is the fire icon?

**Martijn (admin)** Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:04 pm

tap wrote:

I think I got it all figured out!

Thanks!!!!!!!!! working on this chart really made sense!!!!!!!!!!
Where is the fire icon?

...

PS. Yes Tap, FIRE is the dominant element for your hand shape (especially for your right hand; for your left hand my figures point out that you are on the borderline between 2 'mix' hand shapes where FIRE is involved). I will specify the details later.

Patti Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:33 pm

Patti wrote:My left middle finger 7.7
Palm width 7.8
Palm length 9.7

right middle finger 7.9
Palm width 7.9
Palm length 9.6

REVISED:
(from a photo copy)

Left:
Middle finger: 7.5
Palm Width: 8
Palm Length: 9.6

Right:
Middle finger: 7.6
Palm Width: 8
Palm Length: 9.6

**tap** Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:50 am

Patti I never tried measuring with a photo copy. Seems your measurements changed your hand shape profile.

Lynn how much do you consider the hand shape with everything else combined in a reading?

Working with the chart has really helped me to understand the 5 element system. I went back and just focused on the books Johnny and Jennifer wrote (instead the other many books I have). It is really making so much sense now cheers

Thanks Martijn ! Really looking forward to when you have the hand shape chart complete! sunny

**Martijn (admin)** Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:52 am

Well Tap.... I have finished the new map only a couple of minutes ago:

here is the result! Very Happy

(Both pictures are now compatible)

Do you have normal finger length? [locked] - Page 7 Finger-length-proportions-elemental-hand-shapes

**mooky** Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:08 am

I think mine calculate out to be L: (+ / ++ / --) R: (++ / ++/ --) but I can't find which hand type that equates to:

Left hand

FL = 8.0
PB = 8.5
PL = 11.5

FL/PB = .94 +
FL/PL = .69 ++
PB/PL = .74 --

Right hand

FL = 8.0
PB = 8.8
PL = 11.7

FL/PB = .91 ++
FL/PL = .68 ++
PB/PL = .75 -- ?

Or depending on measurement accuracy am I just + / ++ / - ?

**tap** Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:18 am

I still I am not getting the middle area of the chart. Also is there no zone for earth/fire mix and air/water mix hand shape?

Patti Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:20 am

tap wrote:Patti I never tried measuring with a photo copy. Seems your measurements changed your hand shape profile.

I think these are probably the closest to accurate measurements. I used a hard clear ruler to double check against my hands. Earlier I used a flexible ruler and didn't measure to the life line, but across the metacarpals.

**mooky** Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:30 am

Ok. That last chart helps. I think I'm an F2. Is that good? Smile

**Martijn (admin)** Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:31 am

mooky wrote:I think mine calculate out to be L: (+ / ++ / --) R: (++ / ++/ --) but I can't find which hand type that equates to:

Left hand

FL = 8.0
PB = 8.5
PL = 11.5

FL/PB = .94 +
FL/PL = .69 ++
PB/PL = .74 --

Right hand

FL = 8.0
PB = 8.8
PL = 11.7

FL/PB = .91 ++
FL/PL = .68 ++
PB/PL = .75 -- ?

Or depending on measurement accuracy am I just + / ++ / - ?

mooky wrote:Ok. That last chart helps. I think I'm an F2. Is that good?

Well done Mooky! Thumbs up!

Very nice to see that you were able to recognize that your codes belong to the FIRE hand shape category.

(I had missed those 'extreme' shape code combinations, but these are now added in the FIRE list as well!)

Thumb up

**tap** Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:44 am

Patti and Martijn

Earlier I used a flexible ruler and didn't measure to the life line, but across the metacarpals.

I thought for the chart you were should measure across the metacarpals (not the middle).

Patti I had my hand facing up when using the ruler, so you could see the tip of the finger, but it still is a little difficult to read without the paper back ground.

I am lost again on the chart. I need to take some more time to look at everything.

**Martijn (admin)** Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:58 am

tap wrote:Patti and Martijn

Earlier I used a flexible ruler and didn't measure to the life line, but across the metacarpals.

I thought for the chart you were should measure across the metacarpals (not the middle).

Patti I had my hand facing up when using the ruler, so you could see the tip of the finger, but it still is a little difficult to read without the paper back ground.

I am lost again on the chart. I need to take some more time to look at everything.

tap wrote:I still I am not getting the middle area of the chart. Also is there no zone for earth/fire mix and air/water mix hand shape?

... I had hoped that the central 'mixed' zones would have made sense with the border line colors (without the names for those zones mentioned) - because there was not a lot of space.

Anyway, now all zones are named inside the picture.

Thank you!

**Martijn (admin)** Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:07 am

Patti wrote:
Patti wrote:My left middle finger 7.7
Palm width 7.8
Palm length 9.7

right middle finger 7.9
Palm width 7.9
Palm length 9.6

REVISED:
(from a photo copy)

Left:
Middle finger: 7.5
Palm Width: 8
Palm Length: 9.6

Right:
Middle finger: 7.6
Palm Width: 8
Palm Length: 9.6

Hi Patti,

The 'hand shape codes' for your revised measurements are: + | + | +, which is indicative for the 'mixed' earth/fire zone.

(By the way, your first measurements resulted for your right hand in the same zone; the measurements for you left hand resulted at the border between the air/fire zone and the air zone)

I hope you like the result...?

wave

Patti Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:11 am

tap wrote:Patti and Martijn

Earlier I used a flexible ruler and didn't measure to the life line, but across the metacarpals.

I thought for the chart you were should measure across the metacarpals (not the middle).

Patti I had my hand facing up when using the ruler, so you could see the tip of the finger, but it still is a little difficult to read without the paper back ground.

I am lost again on the chart. I need to take some more time to look at everything.

I think Martijn adjusted it to measuring from the 'marriage line' to the start of the life line. There is from 1 to 2 mm difference between measuring across just under the fingers and at this location in my palms.

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