Do you have normal finger length? [locked]

Martijn (admin) wrote:

Patti wrote:

Patti wrote:My left middle finger 7.7
Palm width 7.8
Palm length 9.7

right middle finger 7.9
Palm width 7.9
Palm length 9.6

REVISED:
(from a photo copy)

Left:
Middle finger: 7.5
Palm Width: 8
Palm Length: 9.6

Right:
Middle finger: 7.6
Palm Width: 8
Palm Length: 9.6

Hi Patti,

The 'hand shape codes' for your revised measurements are: + | + | +, which is indicative for the 'mixed' earth/fire zone.

(By the way, your first measurements resulted for your right hand in the same zone; the measurements for you left hand resulted at the border between the air/fire zone and the air zone)

I hope you like the result...?

Patti wrote:

tap wrote:Patti and Martijn

Earlier I used a flexible ruler and didn't measure to the life line, but across the metacarpals.

I thought for the chart you were should measure across the metacarpals (not the middle).

Patti I had my hand facing up when using the ruler, so you could see the tip of the finger, but it still is a little difficult to read without the paper back ground.

I am lost again on the chart. I need to take some more time to look at everything.

I think Martijn adjusted it to measuring from the 'marriage line' to the start of the life line. There is from 1 to 2 mm difference between measuring across just under the fingers and at this location in my palms.

Patti wrote:

Martijn (admin) wrote:

Patti wrote:

Patti wrote:My left middle finger 7.7
Palm width 7.8
Palm length 9.7

right middle finger 7.9
Palm width 7.9
Palm length 9.6

REVISED:
(from a photo copy)

Left:
Middle finger: 7.5
Palm Width: 8
Palm Length: 9.6

Right:
Middle finger: 7.6
Palm Width: 8
Palm Length: 9.6

Hi Patti,

The 'hand shape codes' for your revised measurements are: + | + | +, which is indicative for the 'mixed' earth/fire zone.

(By the way, your first measurements resulted for your right hand in the same zone; the measurements for you left hand resulted at the border between the air/fire zone and the air zone)

I hope you like the result...?

I came up with:
L - fl/pb .937
R - .95

L - fl/pl .781
R - .791

pb/pl L & R .8333

++|+|+

Where did I go wrong?

I did wonder how you would categorize it and kind of expected you'd say earth/fire. In the CS system, I think they would be air with slightly short fingers but not short enough to be earth. I have air skin texture and air depth/width of lines. Very square looking palms, too square to be fire. I'd more identify with earth/air.


Thank you Martijn!

Hi Patti,

Regarding the fl/pb values (0.95 and 0.937), both are really much closer to the '+' category (so only the '++' aspect is not correct).

By the way, regarding the C.S. system... short fingers are only associated with fire and earth (and not with air). However yes, if other aspects of your hand relate to air, that could explain your association.




(PS. It had no consequences, but yuo also hustled the fl/pl ratios for right and left)

chakraborty wrote:Dear Martijn,

Thanks for evaluating my hand shape.

I did not understand the difference (for Hand shape code) between Fire & Pure Fire.

Kindly explain

regards


Chakraborty

Hello Chakraborty,

Thank you for your question.

In general, any 'pure' hand shape profile is the only profile which exactly matches with the typical proportions for a specific hand shape - while the other variants represent hands that show small variations from the 'pure' hand shape.

(The 'pure' hand shapes are now also highlighted in the picture at the top of the list)




PS. I have described the 'pure' hand shapes now also with a few more details in my article:
http://www.handresearch.com/diagnostics/finger-length-proportions-elemental-hand-shapes.htm

Lynn how much do you consider the hand shape with everything else combined in a reading?

Mooky's hands:

Right: Finger length = 8.0, palm breadth = 8.5, palm length = 11.5 (fl/pb = 0.941, fl/pl = 0.696, pb/pl = 0.739)
Hand shape code: + | ++ | - - => FIRE hand shape

Left: Finger length = 8.0, palm breadth = 8.8, palm length = 11.7 (fl/pb = 0.909, fl/pl = 0.683, pb/pl = 0.752)
Hand shape code: ++ | ++ | - => FIRE hand shape

* Patti's hands:

Right: Finger length = 7.7, palm breadth = 7.8, palm length = 9.7 (fl/pb = 0.987, fl/pl = 0.794, pb/pl = 0.804)
Hand shape code: + | + | + => EARTH (+FIRE) hand shape

Left: Finger length = 7.6, palm breadth = 8.0, palm length = 9.6 (fl/pb = 0.950, fl/pl = 0.791, pb/pl = 0.833)
Hand shape code: + | + | + => EARTH (+FIRE) hand shape

In the CS system, I think they would be air with slightly short fingers but not short enough to be earth. I have air skin texture and air depth/width of lines. Very square looking palms, too square to be fire. I'd more identify with earth/air.

Martijn (admin) wrote:Hello Chakraborty,

Thank you for your question.

In general, any 'pure' hand shape profile is the only profile which exactly matches with the typical proportions for a specific hand shape - while the other variants represent hands that show small variations from the 'pure' hand shape.

(The 'pure' hand shapes are now also highlighted in the picture at the top of the list)




PS. I have described the 'pure' hand shapes now also with a few more details in my article:
http://www.handresearch.com/diagnostics/finger-length-proportions-elemental-hand-shapes.htm

Patti wrote:

Patti wrote:My left middle finger 7.7
Palm width 7.8
Palm length 9.7

right middle finger 7.9
Palm width 7.9
Palm length 9.6

REVISED:
(from a photo copy)

Left:
Middle finger: 7.5
Palm Width: 8
Palm Length: 9.6

Right:
Middle finger: 7.6
Palm Width: 8
Palm Length: 9.6

Martijn (admin) wrote:
Hi Lynn,

Here are the photo examples from Johnny's book.

Before we start making an assessment for those hands, I have featured each photo with a small dot representing the central location at the distal wrist crease and the crease connecting the 3th finger with the palm.

Would you first mind to check if we agree about those locations?

(Maybe it might be an idea to check the those locations as well from your copy of Johnny's book)


Then, if we agree about those locations, I would suggest that you make an assessment of the hand shape - and I will start making my assessment... and afterwards we can see what the results are, etc.)

Patti wrote:

Patti wrote:

Patti wrote:My left middle finger 7.7
Palm width 7.8
Palm length 9.7

right middle finger 7.9
Palm width 7.9
Palm length 9.6

REVISED:
(from a photo copy)

Left:
Middle finger: 7.5
Palm Width: 8
Palm Length: 9.6

Right:
Middle finger: 7.6
Palm Width: 8
Palm Length: 9.6

Lynn,
These were/are the updated accurate measurements. The earlier ones were not measured correctly. I just realized that Martijn used the old ones. Which is interesting in that he agreed with my percentages

The avatar is my hand but not perfectly outlined. My wrist line is high and not under the actual palm but on it. I've looked through a lot of scanned hands in my files and I've noticed that is common. My hands look so obviously square and I always thought they were too small to be earth. Earth tends to be more in the category with elementary type hands. I think fire more fitting than earth if I don't get to be air, but fire I thought was recognizable by the rectangular palms.

Patti wrote:When you study the 4 different hand shapes in Johnny's examples the big difference I notice in the palms is actually under the little finger to the wrist. This is where you see the square shape on the earth and air palms and the longer rectangle on the fire and water palms. This, I think, is where 'eyeballing' plays an important role. If I compare my palms to these, they look more like the air palm - in particular the area from little finger to wrist.

Lynn wrote:

Patti wrote:When you study the 4 different hand shapes in Johnny's examples the big difference I notice in the palms is actually under the little finger to the wrist. This is where you see the square shape on the earth and air palms and the longer rectangle on the fire and water palms. This, I think, is where 'eyeballing' plays an important role. If I compare my palms to these, they look more like the air palm - in particular the area from little finger to wrist.

Patti I am not exactly sure what you mean. The square/rectangular shape also involves looking at the width compared to length.
Tho I agree with you that in face-to-face readings 'eyeballing' plays an important role.

Patti wrote:I think it relates quite a bit to having a 'trained eye' from experience. Each person would develop various landmarks on the palms to form their assessment over time. Which is why various samples of people who use the element system are not identical or closely matched to each other in measurements but still appear accurately placed in appearance.

Although Johnny's examples may not have the proper measurements for the type they are placed in, I don't think any of them could be mistaken for another type than the one they have been assigned.

Lynn wrote:
(actually when we do the calculations, your fingers seem very short Mooky at 68-69% of the palm length - is there a picture of your hands anywhere on this forum?)

Patti wrote:

Patti wrote:

Patti wrote:My left middle finger 7.7
Palm width 7.8
Palm length 9.7

right middle finger 7.9
Palm width 7.9
Palm length 9.6

REVISED:
(from a photo copy)

Left:
Middle finger: 7.5
Palm Width: 8
Palm Length: 9.6

Right:
Middle finger: 7.6
Palm Width: 8
Palm Length: 9.6

Lynn,
These were/are the updated accurate measurements. The earlier ones were not measured correctly. I just realized that Martijn used the old ones. Which is interesting in that he agreed with my percentages

The avatar is my hand but not perfectly outlined. My wrist line is high and not under the actual palm but on it. I've looked through a lot of scanned hands in my files and I've noticed that is common. My hands look so obviously square and I always thought they were too small to be earth. Earth tends to be more in the category with elementary type hands. I think fire more fitting than earth if I don't get to be air, but fire I thought was recognizable by the rectangular palms.

Lynn wrote:tap I'm glad you are understanding it! I haven't replied to it yet because I am still trying to get my head around it. It seems SUCH a complicated way to assess handshape!
If you came to me as a client and said you'd had your handshape assessed and it is
"left hand borderline FIRE (+AIR)/WATER (+FIRE) hand shape" that would seem like nonsense to me! I haven't had time to translate that via the chart & your measurements to understand what on earth that combination could be! (oops no pun intended, but I may as well throw 'earth' in as that's the element you haven't got
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