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III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?

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Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:25 am


thinking ... By the way, has any member ever taken this 'Dermatoglyphics Multiple Intelligence Test'?


PS. The earlier mentioned 2008 JakartaPost article provides an interesting overview of the history of the DMIT:
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2008/12/18/behind-science-fingerprints.html




The following poster provides a little more insight about how a DMIT analysis is constructed (including 'pattern index', which appears to be based on ridge count of the individual fingers):

http://www.brain-childlearning.com/images/poster.pdf
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Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:03 am


I have just added the following info to the introduction message of this topic:


Who designed the 'Dermatoglyphic Multiple Intelligence Test'?

Basically, the Thumbrul DMIT-test can be recognized as a result from the work of Professor Roger Lin (edit: he appears to be involved himself in the commercial application). More info about the history of his work is available here:

http://www.brain-childlearning.com/partner.html
http://www.brain-child.co.cc/2010/10/profesor-roger-lin.html (Indonesian language, but there are multiple translation buttons available)

Professor Roger Lin from China:


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Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?

Post  Lynn on Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:37 am

Regarding this statement from http://www.brain-childlearning.com/partner.html
It started in 1823 when scientists discovered the relevance of fingerprints and multiple intelligence in human.

I'm not aware that scientists even today have "discovered the relevance of fingerprints and multiple intelligence" ?? scratch

I still haven't read all these links, but in some of the other DMIT links Martijn posted, I see the reference to dermatoglyphics, but so far didn't see how they actually apply dermatoglyphics in assessing 'multiple intelligence' & putting their work into practise.

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Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:17 pm

Lynn wrote:Regarding this statement from http://www.brain-childlearning.com/partner.html
It started in 1823 when scientists discovered the relevance of fingerprints and multiple intelligence in human.

I'm not aware that scientists even today have "discovered the relevance of fingerprints and multiple intelligence" ?? scratch

I still haven't read all these links, but in some of the other DMIT links Martijn posted, I see the reference to dermatoglyphics, but so far didn't see how they actually apply dermatoglyphics in assessing 'multiple intelligence' & putting their work into practise.

Yes Lynn, you're right: the quote is partly true (the relevance of fingerprints)... but also partly nonsense (regarding the aspect of multiple intelligence, which was discovered about 100 years later than 1823 with the example of the dermatoglyphics in Down syndrome).

Regarding your second question:

The large version of the second picture that I presented in my former post presents some answers (but not all answers, I still have to figure out the details myself as well):
http://www.brain-childlearning.com/images/poster.pdf
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Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?

Post  Lynn on Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:55 am

Thanks Martijn, I can't read the info about fingerprints in that pdf link, the quality is blurred.

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Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:20 am

Lynn wrote:Thanks Martijn, I can't read the info about fingerprints in that pdf link, the quality is blurred.

Question ... I am sorry to hear that Lynn, but the quality of the document is really excellent: I can easily read every single letter in that document - except on page 5 (but I think that concern general info about fingerprint interpretation theories which is probably described on other websites as well).

Did you try to look at the 100% resolution-version?


EDIT: PS. From my point of view is page 1 the most interesting page of this document.

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Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?

Post  Lynn on Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:34 pm

Yes it is only page 5 that I can't read, about the fingerprints.

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Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:59 pm


Lynn, a shorter summary of the info on page 5 is available here (at the same website):
http://www.brain-childlearning.com/dermo.html

( thinking By the way... I think none of the interpretations are validated by any scientific study - anyway, on this page 'Brain Child' claims 95% accuracy. But by fact: all descriptions can be recognized as typically originating from some of the works included in the Palmistry books TOP 100, also confirm by the vocabulary used to describe the names of the fingerprint variants.)


Quoted from brain-childlearning.com:


Simple Arch - Practical, realistic, efficient but conservative


Ulnar Loop - Emotional, adapts fast and strong in interaction


Concentric Whorl - Independent, competitive, firm (stubborn) and proactive


Spiral WhorlHighly intuitive, goal oriented but can be emotional


Composite Whorl - Can be a multi-tasking person and have systematic thinking pattern


Variant - Multi-faceted nature of the show, the more volatile


Tented Arch - Has the characteristics of impulsive passion, absorb information like sponges


Radial Loop - More self-centered, love to reverse operation


Impolding Horl - Often easy as one of dual-use, can have increased confidence in goal


Peacock's Eye - With a high degree of understanding ability, literacy, and have unique understanding and ability in arts


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Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?

Post  Lynn on Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:21 pm

Thanks Martijn. I already read this info, but am still trying to understand how they apply it in practice & how they tie it in with IQ.

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Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:39 pm

Lynn wrote:Thanks Martijn. I already read this info, but am still trying to understand how they apply it in practice & how they tie it in with IQ.

Lynn, page 1 of the PDF-file indicates that regarding the multiple intelligences, they e.g. assess 'fingerprint ridge count' on each finger (e.g. total finger ridge count is mentioned as 'TFRC'), and afterwards they appear to translate the results into relative weights for each of the 10 fingers.

These appear to be used to identify the 'talents' (= what they call the 'innate characteristics', which they see in the perspective of 'strength of brain cells'... scratch - whatever that may be...?).


Additionally (not seen in page 1), they also appear to use the AtD-angle to assess 'learning style' and 'ability', but that aspect is not mentioned on page 1.

But I think will will never know exactly the details because their 'concept' is probably kept as a business-secret of their francise product (though most of the investment probably relates directly to the hardware involved - including a computer + fingerprintscnanner).

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Post  Martijn (admin) on Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:27 pm


Lynn, did my answer make sense for you?


PS. The following picture also shows how the dominance of the brain lobes is directly related to ridge count of the individual fingerprints:

(The large version of the picture is available at: http://www.empowermind.in/images/banners/02%20banner.png )


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Post  Martijn (admin) on Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:36 pm


A recent article (december 2010) - which speaks about DMIA instead of DMIT:

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Post  Lynn on Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:42 pm

Martijn (admin) wrote:
Lynn, did my answer make sense for you?

Yes, thanks Martijn.

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Post  Manfred on Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:21 am

Thanks Martijn for the link, an interesting project.
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Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:46 pm


Thanks Manfred!


PS. I have just added the 13th website in the introduction post of this topic.

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Dermatoglyphic intelligence - Lloyd

Post  hamilton on Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:29 am

Dear Forum Members

I posted a previous reply to this topic but just now I cannot find it on this site.

Without repeating all of it I cannot see how intelligence derived from the environment can register on the dermatoglyphic pattern. Finger prints are essentially genetic. Intelligence is a combination of heredity and environment (including early childhood which is now proving very important). How do you account for the lack of environmental input in your intelligence assessment?

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Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?

Post  Lynn on Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:02 am

Hi Lloyd,
You made your original post on the IQ test thread here -
http://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/t536-try-this-iq-test

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Dermatoglyophics & Intelligence?

Post  Handreadered on Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:43 am

Last Summer I presented my own theories on the significance of fingerprints in a class in Taiwan. Now I am struggling to complete a book on the subject (in competition with another book of probably little interest to anyone on this list.) Both books will be finished fairly soon, and certainly before the conference in Kuala Lumpur at the end of July. I do not rely upon the short hand classification of fingerprints but require a much larger number including at least fourteen potential simple loops. While I respect the work done by MME in using the short hand method of recording and classification, I feel much more is needed.

The problem with “intelligence” is first what is meant? Is it some IQ test score, some SAT score, some class ranking? At what age and under what circumstances should it be measured? I have seen studies that make some connections between dermatoglyphic adt angles and intelligence. Other studies may throw these into question. Finding a reliable unitary statistical analysis is ridiculous with current data. Just using the shorthand analyses of fingerprints and the studies done by Kenneth A. Lagerstrom and retired Lt. Col. Oleg Avdeychik, I believe they found that even with allowances for the frequency of fingerprints on various fingers, there are perhaps 7,000 hand variations. When I add all my variations, the figures increase enormously. I believe the MME current data base is something over 100,000. It can be helpful for some questions, but complete intelligence may yet be beyond any of our abilities even if we could agree on some common definition.

However, more important things can be observed than some school boy or girl class ranking. I was impressed by the MME ability to predict when a child might learn to do certain things, and how they might react socially, both very critical to teaching and child development. I was a reading dyslexic and had I not been sent to a private school in England at the age of eight for very intensive teaching, I might never have learned to read. I remember my mother spanking me while in grade school before we went to England because I could not tell the difference between the words they and them. So I deeply appreciate the negative labels that can be hung on children who do not conform to some prescribed way a child is supposed to learn. I was the class dunce even though I could outscore the rest in math. This background and my recovery with intense attention attracted me to what I have learned from hand analyses and the work done by Mary Lai and MME.

The MME approach teaches the parent and the teachers how to approach the child and to understand the child’s problems and motivations and to work with each child. The child is not a tabula rasa, a blank slate. Of course, this approach demands individual attention, something very hard to accomplish in the overcrowded classes we currently face, at least in the United States. (My English school had 13 to 15 boys in a class with three to five teachers a day, five days a week). But with the MME approach, at least the parent can learn to help and find some support for their child who just might not fit the convenient educational mold.

By the way, children do commit suicide and suffer, often silently. So don’t scoff at the problems of children and how this may help, especially if one does not have a better plan to offer and one can't afford to send the child to an English prep school or the equivalent and do not have time to home teach.
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Re: III - Thumbrule DMIT - IQ TEST: Does intelligence correlate with fingerprints & dermatoglyphics?

Post  Martijn (admin) on Sun Feb 06, 2011 1:09 am


Hello Ed!

Thanks for your input. Thumbs up!

By the way, since your comments focussed on Mary Lai's work... are you aware of any contacts between Mary Lay (Taiwan) and professor Roger Lin (China).

If would be interesting to hear a bit on the connections between the two of them, because according www.brain-child.co.cc Lin has been involved in this fingerprint research since 1993.



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Post  Manfred on Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:19 am

Dear Ed,

nice to hear, that your books are finished soon. You know I'm always interested in your reaserchings and writings.

Are there any scripts from Mary available?

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Mary's work & Dr. Lin

Post  Handreadered on Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:36 pm

I have several works from Mary, her conference reports in 2006 and 2010 with all the presentations, some notes and one thin book that is in both English and Chinese. Most of the other work is all in Chinese except for a couple of my papers that are in English and Chinese. When I met Mary in about 2002, she had been developing her program in her own school for about twenty years. She has received support from some major inteligensia in Chinese Dermatoglyphics including the Chairperson of the Chinese Dermatoglypohic Association, and teacher at the Medical School at Shanghai University, .Professor Zhang Haiguo. I have written her, though our translator, about Dr. Lin as I know nothing about him.
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Hi Ed,

Thanks for answering my question; yes, it would be very nice if Mary can provide us more info about her contacts with Prof. Roger Lin - the parallels between their works are quite obvious (I have never seen likewise connections between fingers & brain lobes).

So likely that there must have been some significant cooperation between the two of them.

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Post  Manfred on Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:17 pm

Thank you Ed. - We'll see if the future'll bring us some new sources.

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Post  Parender on Sun Feb 06, 2011 6:28 pm

Keep it up Mr. Martijin!

We are very anxiously waiting some substantial outcome of your endeavors in this connection. Many others are also following you like me, I think, to know scientifically research based connection between fingers/ fingerprints and brain lobes. I must thank you Mr. Martijin for providing such a nice platform.
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Post  Martijn (admin) on Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:49 pm


My worries about the validity of the various claims made at all associated websites might be confirmed by the following (insider) fraud report about 'Thumbrule dermatoglyphics pvt ltd' (www.thumbrule.in):


20-4-2011:
http://www.consumercomplaints.in/complaints/thumbrule-dermatoglyphics-pvt-ltd-c559849.html



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