Principle of palmistry. . . ! :)

knox gillespie wrote:1. Inherent geometry in nature, even space and vacuum have this.
2.same as 1
3.Not a well thought question
4.fundamentalism of the past
5 Modern palmist is in transition with new science
6 Not a clear question, labeling readers
7 Not true, simian line
8 yes,presently it can't
9 Too vague , connection is everywhere
10 yes
11 Not true, some people are circling, some are understanding, the index of reason is the key concept , there are not many long fingers in prehistoric times.

Patti wrote:

stalin.v wrote:What patti, ..
This is what the philosophy is. . .
Go with the following link, read the philosophy, if possible buy the book soon.. You can understand entire philosophy of the world ,

https://www.modernhandreadingforum.com/t822-bhagavad-gita-english-version-hindu-s-holy-text

I have the book Stalin. I didn't understand why you mentioned killing others to make a point of 'righteousness'.

Some may also describe Issac's father Abraham as 'righteous', others might describe him as schizophrenic. Today hearing voices, and attempting to follow the voices, that tell you to kill your child to prove 'blind faith' would (or should) be kept at a safe distance from those they can harm.

You may enjoy reading "The Philosopher's Toolkit" by Julian Baggini and Peter S. Fosl.

Patti wrote:So basically this is a conversation with no end.

Bridgekeeper Stop! What is your name?
King Arthur Sir Arthur, King of the Britons.
Bridgekeeper What is your quest?
King Arthur To seek the Holy Grail.
Bridgekeeper What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
King Arthur What do you mean? African or European swallow?
Bridgekeeper What? I don't know that.
Sir Bedevere How do you know so much about swallows?
King Arthur Well you have to know these things when you're a king you know.

stalin.v wrote:Hi martijn,

My internet connection was not working properly. Yes, As said by pms, that was a good move from your side. Function itself express it through the structure. similarly, Structure expresses it's presence through it's function. So, both are inseparable. I agree. I give you example, cardiac functions, hepatic function etc., similarly, hand is the structure which is been functioning for our ordeals and commands of our mind. Let we focus further, by asking that what is the function of our structural palm lines and dermatoglyphics? I have given the naturalistic reason of it in my first post. Now the question is that what is the answer in terms of palmistry? In other words, can anyone say the structural and functional relationships of palm lines in terms of palmistry? This is where the principle of palmistry hidden. Otherwise, what you(martijn) explained become general philosophy?

Thanks Stalin!

Nice to see that you recognize as well that it is essential to recognize how 'structure' and 'function' in the body are related.


Regarding the lines... we can simply apply the same principle!!

However, to understand this properly I think be better make one step back... towards the 'structure' & 'function' of the fingers!


Patti presented recently an interesting picture which illustrates how the location of the major hand lines directly relates to the position of the so-called 'volar pads' in the fetal hand.

This illustrates how the position of the hand lines directly relates to how the hand develops... and because the palmar volar pads are located between the fingers, this illustrates again how also the lines directly relate to the fingers!




So I think, before discussing the structural and functional relationships of the lines... we better first focuss on the fingers!!

Stalin, does this make sense for you so far?


PS. Regarding the hands & feets of primates, reseachers have found that in the hands of apes the flexion creases / lines (+ friction skin) represent functional adaptations for grasping and locomotion. This is described by detail in the book 'Anthropology of Crease Morphogenesis' (page 94-95):
http://books.google.com/books?id=3pzhaonObMMC&

And at my website I have summarized myself some interesting details about the development of the hand lines:
http://www.handresearch.com/diagnostics/palmar-creases-hand-lines-embryology.htm


An impression of a hand in week 7 during pregnancy, which is just before the life line begins to develop (in week 8 ) :



(So I think likewise functions can be attributed to the human hand lines, but again, we better first focuss on the structural & functional relationships of the fingers)

stalin.v wrote:Hello martijn,

Can you explain a bit how you would like to frame the 'principle of palmistry' from the embryological aspect ?

Stalin, from my point of view... I have described that already in my previous post - anyway, I will try again to describe it more specified:

Starting from the principle: 'structure is an expression of function', I think it is only common sense to make a step back - by considering the issue concerning how the hand develops!

Therefore I think in order to describe the 'principle of palmistry', the following order is probably reuquire:
- first we'll have to study how the hand develops by it's structure;
- then we'll have to describe how it's structure relates to function.
- and finally we'll have to find out if there is any link between beteen the palmistry theories about the lines and the principle: 'structure is an expression of function'.


But maybe, it would also be helpfull if you describe more explicitely what you had in mijn with 'the principle of palmistry'!?

Because... in my first response I already described that one can answer your question from many perspectives: because you formulated your question rather unspecifiic.

(I choose to answer your question from a fundamental research perspective... and in your response you confirmed the significance of my answer ... however, I realize that my answer might not relate at all to what you initially had in mind with your question. Therefore, I think it would be helpfull if you explain the nature of your question a bit more).

stalin.v wrote:...

I also wonder, how in your website , you related the development of volar pad with finger prints! Does that means , peoples who has well developed mount will have whorl finger print in their respective finger? but it is not being truth practically. Dont you agree?

stalin.v wrote:Hello martijn,

1. if the volar pad changes after birth , or during the course of life, it is sure that embryology cannot give solution for our discussion. On the other hand, as i said earlier, embryology give the common ideas of how the palm and other body parts of human develops. but it did not individualize.
Next is, As a major example i mentioned palm lines indeed. but embryology never deals about function of body parts including palm and palm lines. Rather It gives only the idea how the hand develops in humans. so, could you make out here how embryology fails to reason the palmistry aspects?

Stalin, where did I suggest that embryology itself describes the 'principle of palmistry'?

I don't think that I made such a suggestion (at least that is not what I had in mind at all)... because I only presented some examples from that perspective (embryology) in order to describe why we should try to find the 'principle of palmistry' by focussing on the full hand!

But only after you presented your latest posts, I understood that you interest is basically only focussed on the 'lines' only.

(And I believe- and expect that this rather narrow approach that you had in mind from the start of this discussion... might not make you find any answers at all - beyond personal 'believes')


PS. Stalin, I think it's just fine if you would like to continue to focuss this topic about the 'lines' only... afterall, you are the one who created this topic!

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However, I think you are making a fundamental mistake... by excluding the other aspects of the hand for finding an answer to your question (about the fundamentals of palmistry).

Patti wrote:What I then find myself thinking about is why the rat doesn't has the wiring connected from the brain to the limb surface until after birth? Could it be they are designed to adapt to the location they find themselves in once they are born? Could the mother have travelled from, for instance, the city environment in a cargo shipment and gave birth in a rain forest...or a snow covered mountainside? Would nature provide a way for the rat's offspring to survive in the location they are born?

Why then are we equipped to 'touch/sense' our environment long before our birth?

Cool huh?!

stalin.v wrote:Hello lynn,

Philosophies will be worthless if you studied either from universities or from yourself. It should be just understood for it's application and use.

Let me take back the word 'philosophy' if you feel it as strange. Just how would you like to relate 5 elements with the hands ? it is spiritual relationship or scientific relationship or naturalistic relationship?

stalin.v wrote:...

2. If you aware of the futility of embryology in this discussion, why do we need such study?